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mbuf	mepco_user, hello
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:Partipants are just come in. We are setting up things. Are u Ready?
mbuf	mepco_shenba, I am ready
mbuf	mepco_shenba, do all the machines have a copy of the presentations?
mepco_shenba	mbuf:we have put in the intranet. They are downloading it to their desktops.
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay; the desktops are not connected to IRC?
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mepco_shenba	mbuf: They are in process of connecting.
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, please ask them to give meaningful nicknames
zer0c00l	hi mbuf
zer0c00l	When are you starting?
mbuf	zer0c00l, good morning
mbuf	zer0c00l, soon
zer0c00l	mbuf: Nice
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, not like user, user1 etc.
mbuf	zer0c00l, just waiting for everyone to login
zer0c00l	mbuf: ok
mbuf	mepco_shenba, are you also projecting the IRC session on a projector?
zer0c00l	mbuf: Here the power is volatile, don't know when they will shutdown
mbuf	zer0c00l, here as in?
zer0c00l	mbuf: In my home town
mbuf	zer0c00l, okay
zer0c00l	mbuf: Mepco has big generators and UPS
mbuf	zer0c00l, cool
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mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_nanda mepco_shenba mepco_user mepco_user1
mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_nanda mepco_shenba mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_user mepco_user1 kindly logout of IRC, and login with meaningful nicknames
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:yes
zer0c00l	mepco_shenba: Good morning
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mepco_shenba	Zer0c00l:Good Morning. May i know whom you are?
mepco_jagadesh	hi frnds
mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mepco_sathish	hi jaga
zer0c00l	mepco_sathish: I am Arun SAG
mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
zer0c00l	oops
zer0c00l	mepco_shenba: I am Arun SAG
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, mepco_sathish please don't chat until I say so
mepco_boopathi	hi friends
mepco_shenba	Hi, Arun
mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mepco_jagadesh	am jagadesh kec
mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_boopathi, mepco_jagadesh please don't chat until I say so
*mbuf please login and wait
*mbuf is moderator here
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mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, please ask all participants to just login, not to chat; let me know when they are ready and we can get started!
mepco_shenba	Everyone follow mbuf's instructions
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mepco_user1	i am jagan
zer0c00l	mepco_user, mepco_user1 please change your nick names. What is your name use that
zer0c00l	mepco_user1: Jagan, Please change your nick name
mepco_jagadesh	k pavithara
mepco_sathish	k its fine
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mepco_boopathi	hai jagan
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
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mbuf	mepco_boopathi, could you please stop chatting in this channel?
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mbuf	there is a decorum to be followed which I will tell before we start
mepco_babu	ok
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_babu, thanks
mepco_babu	k pavin
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mepco_babu	ya
mepco_nanda	hai good morning to all
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mepco_babu	same da
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_keerthi mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_babu, can you not chat in this channel until I say so?
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_keerthi mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_shenba, is everyone in the same lab?
mepco_babu	yes
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_keerthi mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:yes
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_keerthi mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay
mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_keerthi mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, is everyone logged in?
mepco_kala	hi
mepco_babu	which coll u
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mbuf	mepco_babu, please stop chatting here!
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mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_shenba, shall we start?
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*mbuf only when I ask you to say something, should you type in this channel; kindly refrain from chatting here
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:Few more people are just joining
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mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_regupathy mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, let me know when everyone is ready;
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mbuf	mepco_shenba, also request them to open the .pdf presentation "i-want-2-do-project.tell-me-wat-2-do-fedora"
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mepco_sujin	anand..??
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:i have ask them to open project
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mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_regupathy mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mbuf	mepco_shenba, shall we begin?
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mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_sujin mepco_uma mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni mepco_vinoth
mepco_shenba	mbuf:i will go around the lab, check and inform you
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay
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mepco_vinoth	hello
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_sujin mepco_uma mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni mepco_vinoth
mepco_sandeep	hai
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mbuf	mepco_vinoth, mepco_sandeep please don't type anything in this channel
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foss_suhaina	helo
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foss-mahalakshmi foss_ foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
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zer0c00l`	foss_suhaina: Please don't type anything in this channel.
mbuf	foss_suhaina, hello, welcome; please don't type anything in this channel yet
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mepco_shenba	mbuf: we can start everyone is ready!
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_poovannan mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_uma mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni mepco_vinoth
mbuf	mepco_shenba, thank you
mbuf	Welcome everyone! My name is Shakthi Kannan, and I will be the moderator for todays' sessions
mbuf	please don't chat in this channel
mbuf	there is a decorum to be maintained when talking on IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
mbuf	and we will following that today
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mbuf	if you wish to ask a question just type "?" and hit enter, and I will know that you need to ask a question
mbuf	if you wish to say something in this channel, just type "!" and hit enter, and I will know give you a chance to say something on this channel
mbuf	of course, without the ""
mbuf	if you have finished saying something type "eof" so I know you don't have anything more to say
mepco_poovannan	?
mbuf	just remember these three symbols, so it helps us to maintain a clean conversation in this channel
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagadesh mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_kala mepco_keerthik mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_poovannan mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni mepco_vinoth
mbuf	mepco_poovannan, yes, ask
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mepco_poovannan	is there any video editing software like after effects in foss
mepco_poovannan	eof
mbuf	mepco_poovannan, yes, you can try Lives; but, we will keep general questions in the afternoon;
mbuf	The first session will on "i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do-fedora"; please open this presentation
mbuf	*be on
mbuf	When I say a sentence with a *, it means, I made a type error in the previous line, and I am correcting the same
mbuf	*typo error
mbuf	In today's sessions, I want you to clearly understand what I am trying to tell you; all the presentations are available online, so you can download them, re-use them for free as long as you give credit to my work
mbuf	just make sure you understand what I am trying to teach you
mbuf	if Internet or power fails here, there are other people who can walk you through the presentation like zer0c00l` FranciscoD
mbuf	Slide #1
mbuf	Slide #2
mbuf	Please read the contents of the slide, when I type the slide #
mepco_jagan	?
mbuf	This presentation contains my views; you are welcome to agree to disagree; Most of them have been based on my experiences
mbuf	mepco_jagan, yes, ask
mepco_jagan	In project y there is no room for sentiment
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, I didn't ask you to go through the full presentation; please wait
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, I'd also like to finish the presentation before taking questions, so there is a smooth flow to it
abms1116	?
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, if you have a question, just note it down
zer0c00l`	mepco_jagan: ^^
mbuf	abms1116, not now; let me finish the presentation
mbuf	Slide #3
mbuf	Slide #4
mbuf	In academia, it is respectful to address people by Sir/madam; in the Industry it is not the case;
mbuf	you always address people by their first name;
mbuf	Slide #5
foss_suhaina	?
foss-mahalakshmi foss_ foss__ foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
mbuf	foss_suhaina, not now please
mbuf	It is a tough competitive world out there, so it is very common to get pushed or bullied easily;
mbuf	it is very important to be honest as long as what you are doing is right
mbuf	you will meet people who try to put you down, so you have been warned
mbuf	Slide #6
mepco_jagan	In project y there is no room for sentiment
arunmosespaul_me	what is thick-skinned?
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, arunmosespaul_me please don't ask/type until I say so!
mepco_babu	how to earn?
mbuf	mepco_babu, please don't type until I say so! if you wish to ask, please use "?"
arunmosespaul_me	?
mbuf	mepco_jagan, one should not take emotions too high based on sentiments, because, people might do it intentionally or not; you will know what it is with experience
mbuf	arunmosespaul_me, to ignore pranks
mbuf	arunmosespaul_me, no, please wait, let me finish the presentation
mbuf	We are on slide #6
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mbuf	most of the time, people come to engineering because their parents forced it onto them, and not because they love the field
mbuf	always remember to do things that you love to work with, and not that is forced on to you
mbuf	only then will you be happy and also help in improving the society around you
mbuf	if you work for 8 hours/day, make sure you really work 8 hours/day
mbuf	time is money in this world;
mbuf	slide #7
mbuf	education today has become very commercialized, sadly though;
mbuf	as an engineer, one must always have the crave to seek more knowledge
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mepco_jagadesh	happieness is more important than money
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, please don't type anything in this channel
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, not now please
mbuf	whichever stream of education you take, you should also strive to get more knowledge in that
mbuf	Slide #8
mbuf	just because people get an engineering degree, it doesn't mean that they are an engineer
mbuf	engineers build things
mbuf	Slide #9
mbuf	Most students don't have the habit of reading
mepco_babu	?
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mbuf	By reading, I didn't mean the first and last page of a newspaper
mbuf	reading technical books, and gaining knowledge;
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_babu, mepco_nadhiya please wait
mbuf	slide #10
mbuf	now we will go through some mailing list guidelines
mbuf	slide #11
mbuf	when sending an e-mail, make sure you use a proper subject line; most people forget to use one
mbuf	slide #12
mbuf	a very common error that students make is using SMS language; it is considered very unprofessional to use it
mbuf	even before we began this IRC channel, some of you were using "u" "k" etc.
mepco_jagadesh	?
mbuf	it is really, really bad, and unprofessional for engineers to do so
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mbuf	slide #13
mepco_babu	why cannot buy a knowledge as enginner
mbuf	mepco_babu, not now please
mepco_jagadesh	why we should not use sms language
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, mepco_babu please don't interrupt the conversation
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mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, mepco_babu will take the discussion after the presentation
mepco_ummul	?
mbuf	mepco_ummul, not questions now; please refrain from using ?
mbuf	to end a sentence please use a full-stop, don't put dots like (...)
mbuf	slide #15
mbuf	end a sentence with a full-stop. Start a new sentence with a capital letter
mbuf	slide #16
mbuf	typing in capital letter means that you are shouting at everyone in the channel or the mailing list group
*zer0c00l` is now known as zer0c00l
mepco_jagan	?
mbuf	people mistakenly think that by typing in capital letters that they are seeking the users' attention
mbuf	slide #17
mbuf	another common mistake is to reply above the previous quoted e-mail
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_jagadesh, mepco_nadhiya please don't use "?" now; let me finish the presentation
mbuf	when you write answers in exam, you always write below the question, not above; the same applies to e-mail as well
mbuf	slide #18
mepco_sujin	?
mbuf	always use interleaved, trimmed, bottom posting when replying to e-mai
mbuf	slide #19
mepco_jagan	y should not start with double quotes(")
mbuf	mepco_sujin, not now please; note your question down, and then we can discuss it at the end
mepco_sujin	ok
mbuf	mepco_jagan, please don't ask now!
mbuf	when you have a continuous mailing list discussion, it is common for people to over-quote as you see in the slide
mbuf	kindly refrain from over-quoting when replying via e-mail
mepco_jagadesh	k jagan
mbuf	slide #20
mbuf	not all e-mail clients can understand HTML e-mail; it is courtesy to always send plain ASCII text e-mail
mbuf	no fancy bold, italics, colour etc;
mbuf	slide #21
mepco_babu	?
mbuf	lot of people in India don't have broadband connection, so sending huge attachments to mailing lists is bad practice
mepco_jagadesh	babu don't use ?
mbuf	same with Forwarding e-mails, and things like if you send this to 10 people etc.
mbuf	please avoid these
mbuf	slide #22
mbuf	people who participate in social networking websites give their e-mail passwords away without knowing that these websites login to your e-mail accounts and send invites to all your friends
mbuf	if you are in a mailing list, then everyone gets the invite; don't give your passwords away!
mbuf	slide #23
mbuf	in corporate networks, sometimes companies attach disclaimer content as shown; these are against the philosophy of Free/Open Source software;
mbuf	kindly avoid using corporate e-mail accounts when participating in free/open source software mailing lists
mbuf	slide #24
mbuf	there are people who don't have high-speed Internet connectivity, and use digest mode for e-mails, where, they receive a summary of all e-mail discussions in that week as a single e-mail
mbuf	but, when they reply to the mailing list, they retain the same subject line, and all the e-mail discussions
mbuf	so, people who receive e-mail as they arrive, will get confused about this digest mode
mbuf	so, if you don't know how to use digest-mode, refrain from using it
mbuf	slide #25
mbuf	an example of how one person has replied, with a big chain of messages
mbuf	slide #26
mbuf	slide #27
mbuf	slide #28
mbuf	slide #29
mbuf	slide #30
mbuf	slide #31
mbuf	slide #32
mbuf	slide #33
mbuf	most of the questions that new comers to free/open source software face are already solved by someone else
mbuf	so it is important to search online with the help of search engines like Google, so you see how to solve them
mbuf	slide #34
mbuf	don't click on any URLs now; they are only for references; you can browse the links later
mbuf	slide #35
mbuf	if you decide to work with a free/open source project, and you contact a mentor or developer. try to write something about yourself
mbuf	there is more to life than just coding
mbuf	slide #36
mbuf	don't write like these
mbuf	slide #37
mbuf	some people become very enthusiastic about GNU/Linux, free/open source software that they decide to do a final year project just for the sake of it
mbuf	if you are really not interested or keen on it, don't work on it
mbuf	#38
mbuf	the slide says it all
mbuf	#39
mbuf	#40
mbuf	#41
mbuf	communication is very, very important
mbuf	if both of us didn't know English, then we will not be having this conversation
mbuf	#42
mbuf	lot of people are interested in only one programming language
mbuf	it is important to use the right programming language to solve the right computer problem
mbuf	#43
*FranciscoD stumbles in
mbuf	#44
mbuf	there are various communication tools available in the free/open source community
mbuf	each has its own uses
mbuf	#45
mbuf	mostly blogs use RSS/Atom feeds
mbuf	#46
mbuf	you are familiar with e-mail, of course
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mbuf	#47
mbuf	if you ask a question, you need to put a question  mark '?' at the end of the sentence
mbuf	generally not replying, means either one of the two
mbuf	so communicate effectively
mbuf	#48
mbuf	if you are stuck with something or not sure how to proceed, learn to speak out (not now of course, until I finish the presentation)
mbuf	#49
mbuf	forums, mailing list groups, you are familiar with; just follow the mailing list guidelines
mbuf	#50
mbuf	#51
mbuf	what you are using now is Internet Relay Chat (IRC) which most free/open source software developers use
mbuf	#52
mbuf	you are probably using xchat
mbuf	#53
mbuf	there are also instant messengers available
mbuf	#54
mbuf	in case, you want to speak with others, voice chat is also possible
mbuf	#55
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mbuf	for documentation, one needs to use a common wiki
mbuf	this is similar to Wikipedia
mbuf	every department/college can have one, giving information about the institute, courses etc. (for example)
mbuf	#56
mbuf	#57
mbuf	#58
*arunmosespaul_me is now known as arunmosespaul
mbuf	today, English is the communication language in the Industry
mbuf	#59
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mbuf	what most students lack is reading comprehension; ability to read an English sentence and understand it
mbuf	all technical manuals are mostly in English only
mbuf	reading English newspapers, novels helps in this process
mbuf	grammar doesn't matter, but, atleast before typing, do a spell-check
mbuf	#60
mbuf	during the project work, it is good to discuss your progress with the mentor during the weekend
mbuf	#61
mbuf	e-mail is preferred
mbuf	#62
mbuf	The advantage of using free/open source software is that you have the source code, and any problem, usually error/output messages are logged
mbuf	so it helps to paste them from the source code, we can tell which function is being triggerd or what is causing the problem
mbuf	#63
mbuf	something we don't see in India :)
mepco_boopathi	jagan
mbuf	tomorrow if you go abroad, you will observe that everything moves by time
mbuf	learning to work with time is important
mbuf	#64
mbuf	communication is important; it is always good to keep everyone informed, whether you are able to make it or not to meets
mbuf	#65
mbuf	I have said this already
mbuf	#66
mbuf	#67
mbuf	most students have not really done any hands-on session, so they struggle the first time they do it;
mbuf	nobody said you will not fall riding the bicycle the first time
mbuf	so, it is important to take things as a challenge and strive to achieve
mbuf	yes, we cannot do the entire project, you have to put in lot of effort
mbuf	#68
mbuf	small drops make a mighty ocean
mbuf	as you finish small tasks, your confidence will improve, and it will help your progress
mbuf	#69
mbuf	last minute studying doesn't help really; you are only cheating yourself
mbuf	try to be honest and work
mbuf	if you finish work daily, you will not feel the burden before the project deadline
mbuf	#70
mbuf	learning should be continuous
mbuf	it is a steep curve for starters
mbuf	and it is stiff competition in this world; so be prepared
mbuf	#71
mbuf	when asking a question, always try to give detailed information about it
mbuf	#72
mbuf	#73
mbuf	self-explanatory
mbuf	#74
mbuf	blogging is part of the free/open source software culture; if you don't have one; create it, and try to update it daily on your work
mbuf	you never know, you will have followers one day
mbuf	#75
mbuf	if you are asked 7 questions, try to answer all of them; don't skip something in between;
mbuf	attention to details is essential for engineers
mbuf	there are usually steps that lead from point A to B to C; if you skip B, you will not reach point C
mbuf	#76
mbuf	at this age, it is not uncommon to boast around, and act like a leader; it always helps to be humble in life
mbuf	#77
mbuf	always keep everyone informed in your team
mbuf	#78
mbuf	as humans we make mistakes, but, we have to learn from them;
mbuf	repeating them often is not going to give you any name or credit
mbuf	#79
mbuf	fair enough
mbuf	#80
mbuf	How much salary are you earning?
mepco_boopathi	don pav
mbuf	don't ask such questions
mepco_boopathi	\
mbuf	#81
mbuf	finishing small work will give you confidence to move forward
mbuf	it is easy to correct small mistakes at an earlier stage than at the finishing stage of a project
mbuf	#82
mbuf	always give proof when you make a statement; it improves your credibility
mbuf	#83
mbuf	when communicating with your mentor, be honest
mbuf	#84
mbuf	Fedora is a free/open source software distribution that is primarily for desktops
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mbuf	there are lot of sub-projects that you can contribute to
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mbuf	#85
mbuf	you can follow the instructions, later (after today's sessions) if you are interested
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mbuf	#86
mbuf	people who want to spread the message of Fedora
mbuf	#87
mbuf	#88
mbuf	some maybe very good in artwork, so you can do designing as well like banners, posters, logos etc.
mbuf	#89
mbuf	some maybe very good in debugging, and solving problems, or providing a fix;
mbuf	so this team works on handling bugs
mbuf	#90
mbuf	#91
mbuf	some of you may have good language skills, so you can contribute through documentation
mbuf	#92
mbuf	some of you will be aspiring to be system/network administrators; Infrastructure gives you an opportunity to work with them
mbuf	#93
mbuf	this is important to add support to different languages on applications
mbuf	#94
mbuf	translating text from one language to another, so the application can be localized for regional languages
mbuf	#95
mbuf	if you are a good speaker, then you can market Fedora and its sub-projects
mbuf	#96
mbuf	we have a large collection of free/open source software packages, and if you want to maintain them or add more packages, you can participate in this
mbuf	#97
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mbuf	if you are good in website designing, then Website project is a good sub-project to start with
mbuf	#98
mbuf	people who are like journalists, and want to publish Fedora news
mbuf	#99
mbuf	when you are experienced, you can mentor other people
mbuf	#100
mbuf	If you want to ask a question (one-by-one), please type '?' and I will give you a chance; please don't ask the question straight away! after the Q&A we will take a tea break
foss_suhaina	?
arunmosespaul	?
foss_suhaina	what is meant by ssh
foss__	?
foss_sundar	?
foss_	?
mepco_veni	?
FranciscoD	@lucky site:wikipedia.org ssh
fedbot	FranciscoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell
foss_suhaina	what is meant by ssh?eof
*foss_ is now known as foss_deepika
foss_deepika	?
foss__	raji ?
mepco_durga	?
FranciscoD	@saylucky foss_suhaina site:wikipedia.org ssh
fedbot	foss_suhaina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result)
*foss__ is now known as foss__raji
mepco_jagan	?
foss__raji	?
mepco_veni	what is digest mode?
arunmosespaul	what are the programming languages to be learnt to get involved in open source projects
foss__raji	what is PITA?
foss_sundar	what is the main difference between windows and foss
mepco_saranya	?
foss_sundar	eof
mepco_durga	in slide 53 what is ugly duplex
*mbuf wait
mepco_durga	eof
FranciscoD	folks, patience please
foss__raji	eof
arunmosespaul	eof
mepco_veni	eof
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	foss_suhaina, your question is on ssh?
FranciscoD	state your question when mbuf asks you to, this way we can't answer your questions :)
mepco_suganya_ec	?
mepco_sujin	?
foss_suhaina	s
mepco_suganya_ec	what is meant by cc?
foss_suhaina	yes
mepco_jagan	?
mepco_boopathi	?
foss_deepika	what is RSS/Atom
foss_deepika	eof
mepco_saranya	what is meant by RSS/Atom feed?
mepco_suganya_ec	eof
mbuf	foss_suhaina, it is secure shell, used to securely login to remote systems; see the link that was given
FranciscoD	@lucky site:wikipedia.org RSS
fedbot	FranciscoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS
FranciscoD	@lucky site:wikipedia.org Atom
fedbot	FranciscoD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom
mepco_veni	?
mbuf	arunmosespaul, what is your question?
mepco_sathish	mentors means
mepco_boopathi	why we should not use sms language
mepco_veni	what is css?
mepco_veni	eof
mepco_boopathi	eof
*mbuf please don't ask your questions! wait till I ask you
foss_suhaina	?
mepco_babu	?
mepco_ummul	?
mepco_sujin	?
arunmosespaul	what are the programming languages to be learnt to get involved in a open source project?
arunmosespaul	eof
mbuf	arunmosespaul, this is the way to ask; good!
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	arunmosespaul, there are plenty of them like bash, perl, python, ruby, tcl, java, c, c++ etc.
foss-mahalakshmi foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
foss-mahalakshmi foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
foss__raji	?
mepco_ummul	?
mbuf	foss_sundar, what is your question?
FranciscoD	arunmosespaul: depends on what project you're interested in : what languages do they use
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mbuf	mepco_veni, what is your question?
arunmosespaul	?
mbuf	arunmosespaul, yes
*zer0c00l has just asked freenode staff to increase the max allowed connection list for mepco's IP address
mepco_veni	what is digest mode?
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mepco_ummul	?
arunmosespaul	i am interested in web design and gui development
mbuf	mepco_veni, it is a mode for mailing lists, where all the e-mails that were sent in that one week or so, is delivered in a single e-mail to you
foss_sundar	what is the main difference between foss and windows?
mbuf	mepco_veni, usually people on dial-up connection use this mode
foss_sundar	eof
arunmosespaul	?
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mepco_regupathy	i interest in web server design in-----"Erlang
mbuf	foss_deepika, what is your question?
mepco_sathish	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, what is your question?
mepco_veni	eof
foss_deepika	May i know something about RSS/Atom
foss_deepika	eof
foss-mahalakshmi foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
mepco_babu	?
mepco_durga	what is ugly duplex
mepco_sathish	mentors means
FranciscoD	foss_deepika: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(standard) <- atom
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	foss_deepika, they are protocols to transfer blog content
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mepco_boopathi	why we should not use sms language
mepco_boopathi	eof
*FranciscoD suggests foss_deepika also look at the wikipedia page on RSS
mepco_shenba	?
mepco_sujin	?
mepco_sujin	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, I just called it 'ugly' because you cannot multi-task when doing voice chat
mbuf	mepco_durga, it requires the complete users' attention
*mbuf is going through the backlog of ? and asks only those who followed the protocol
mepco_ummul	?
mbuf	mepco_jagan, what is your question?
mbuf	mepco_boopathi, what is your question?
mepco_sujin	?
FranciscoD	mbuf: maybe you should ask them to first google up and then ask if they don't find satisfactory answers?
mepco_veni	?
mbuf	FranciscoD, that's okay
mbuf	FranciscoD, first time, so it is fine
mbuf	foss_suhaina, what is your question?
foss_suhaina	why shouldn't we send birthday invities in social websites?
foss__raji	?
mbuf	mepco_sujin, what is your question?
foss_suhaina	eof
foss__raji	?
mepco_suganya_ec	?
mbuf	foss_suhaina, if someone breaks into your house, will you keep quiet? just like that sending spam e-mail to others' inbox is not correct
mepco_sujin	give me a good editor where i can do the codings for web development
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mbuf	mepco_sujin, vim or Emacs
mepco_sujin	ok
mbuf	mepco_babu, what is your question?
mepco_sujin	now currently we are doing our projects in ubuntu and its based on erlang
mbuf	foss__raji, what is your question?
foss__raji	what  is PITA & IRC ?
foss__raji	eof
foss_deepika	?
mepco_suganya_ec	eof
mbuf	mepco_sujin, Ubuntu is a distribution and Erlang is a programming language
mepco_sujin	so may i know which is better for erlang ubuntu or fedora??
mbuf	foss__raji, IRC is what you are using now, Internet Relay Chat
mepco_babu	why we should use linux lang?
mbuf	foss__raji, other one, look it up on the web
*zer0c00l chuckles
mepco_saranya	?
mbuf	mepco_sujin, it doesn't matter; Erlang is Erlang on whichever distribution; Distributions differ in their packaging, release process etc.
mbuf	mepco_saranya, yes
mbuf	foss_deepika, what is your question?
foss_deepika	what are the cretiria for a good project ?
foss_deepika	eof
mepco_nanda	?
mbuf	foss_deepika, quality of work done
mbuf	mepco_nanda, shoot!
mepco_saranya	what is meant by bug zappers?
mepco_veni	?
foss_sundar	?
mepco_sujin	eof
zer0c00l	mepco_saranya: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers
mbuf	mepco_saranya, they zap the bugs; there are lot of things that can be done in it; first they verify that the bug exists, then try to reproduce it, and even try to solve it
mepco_nanda	what is use of creating blog
mbuf	mepco_veni, yes
mbuf	mepco_nanda, it is like a diary, but, online
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mepco_veni	how is linux better from other os?
mbuf	mepco_nanda, you are telling the world about what work you are doing; with free/open source software we share knowledge, so it is one of the means
mbuf	mepco_veni, let us keep general questions in the evening
*mbuf ask only questions pertaining to the first presentation
mbuf	foss_sundar, your question?
mepco_sandeep	?
foss_sundar	tell me what is qt4?
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foss_sundar	eof
mepco_suganya_ec	?
mbuf	foss_sundar, Qt is a cross-platform application and UI framework, written in C++
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: Also check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29
*mbuf hereafter, please try to Google for your answers
mbuf	before you ask us here
mepco_nanda	sorry bug
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mbuf	most questions are basic ones, you can find answers online
mbuf	if there is any question pertaining to the presentation, I will take it now
mbuf	someone asked about SMS
zer0c00l	mbuf: yes, the question was "why it is bad to use SMS language?"
mbuf	do students write in SMS in all their answer papers?
foss_suhaina	?
FranciscoD	"np dey dnt"
mbuf	SMS is terrible way of speaking, unfortunately, "students" use it, and think it is used everywhere; it is incomprehensible speak, and very unprofessional to use it
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mbuf	foss_suhaina, yes
zer0c00l	mbuf: mepco_shenba had a question!
mbuf	mepco_shenba, yes, your question?
mepco_shenba	mbuf:Hope we are at the end of his session. Shall we take a Tea Break and come back at 11.30
mbuf	mepco_shenba, yes, please!
foss_suhaina	why shouldn't we send mail by attaching file in it ?
foss_suhaina	eof
mepco_nanda	what  is use of bug
zer0c00l	foss_suhaina: You can send attachments to your friends, not to mailing lists/groups
mbuf	foss_suhaina, because the receiver may not be on a high-speed, broadband connection, and they shouldn't have to wait for the attachment to load just to check the e-mail
mbuf	foss_suhaina, it is courteous to upload it, and provide a link to it;
zer0c00l	foss_suhaina: Most mailing list's reject's attachments.
mbuf	mepco_nanda, bug is a defect in software
zer0c00l	*reject
mbuf	mepco_nanda, just that it doesn't exist
foss_sundar	?
mbuf	foss_sundar, yes
foss_sundar	What is the main difference between foss and windows?
foss_sundar	eof
mbuf	foss_sundar, Windows is an operating system, and Free/Open Source Software is a software
mbuf	foss_sundar, there is F/OSS on Windows too
FranciscoD	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_Open_Source_Software
*FranciscoD repeats, "make google your friend"
foss_sundar	?
zer0c00l	mbuf: Free node has a policy to reject connections from same ip address, if the number of connections exceeds certian number
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zer0c00l	mbuf: Some people were not able to connect from Mepco , AFAIK
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foss_sundar	Which is better ?fedora or ubuntu or any other?
zer0c00l	mbuf: I asked the freenode staff, they said we need to send them an email before the meeting to provide any exceptions
mbuf	zer0c00l, they can share the system
zer0c00l	mbuf: yes
foss_sundar	?
foss-mahalakshmi foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
mbuf	foss_sundar, yes
foss_sundar	Which is better ?fedora or ubuntu or any other?
mbuf	foss_sundar, which ice-cream do you like?
foss_sundar	arun
*zer0c00l chuckles
mbuf	foss_sundar, it is individuals' choice
foss_sundar	which one do u prefer?
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: we use Fedora
foss_sundar	what about kubuntu?
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: if you like kubuntu, then use it!
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: we can't really say, you should go out and try whatever distribution you want and decide for yourself
foss_sundar	but enough packages are not available ?
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: again, you need to try it out for yourself and decide.
FranciscoD	we can tell you what you want to know about fedora (notice the channel :P)
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
>mepco_shenba<Skype isn't free/open source software, so we cannot technically use it
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_abi mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
>mepco_shenba<please take some photos, so I can view it later
FranciscoD	zer0c00l: why is all quiet suddenly?
mbuf	FranciscoD, tea break
FranciscoD	s/is/is it/
FranciscoD	mbuf: ah, okay
arunprakash	When i was playing some videos on totem or vlc the videos was scared but it works fine with xine
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mbuf	arunprakash, use mplayer
arunprakash	also the players are working fine for many other videos
mbuf	arunprakash, it will play most video types
arunprakash	it also works fine in xine
arunprakash	can i make it work in totem and vlc ?
mepco_shenba	mbuf:let's start the next session. This can go up to lunch 1 PM
mbuf	mepco_shenba, sure
foss_suhaina	?
mbuf	arunprakash, I don't know about totem and vlc; but, mplayer serves my needs
mbuf	foss_suhaina, yes
foss_suhaina	what is meaning for the slides 26
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arunprakash	Oh ok
foss-mahalakshmi foss__raji foss_deepika foss_jose foss_poniruli foss_prabha foss_ramya foss_suhaina foss_sundar foss_vidhya
mbuf	foss_suhaina, it is a section of an e-mail
zer0c00l	foss_suhaina: yes
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*mbuf starts di-git-ally managing love letters
mbuf	git is a source control management tool, or a revision control management tool
mbuf	students who work on code, generally, cut, copy, delete code sections, often
mbuf	they do it so often, that it is difficult to keep track of changes, or to restore the code to the initial state where they began
mbuf	so, putting code helps in keeping track of the history of the project
mbuf	it is not just for code, but, can also be for text documents
mbuf	please open the "di-git-ally managing love letters" presentation
mbuf	this is a hands-on exercise, that you can do it yourself
mbuf	you need to run the .pdf as a slideshow, and then you can switch between the terminal and the presentation
mbuf	I will only put the slide title here, and when everyone is done, then we can proceed to the next title;
mbuf	git is installed on all your machines
zer0c00l	Hitting F5 button will put your pdf into presentation mode!
mbuf	This presentation is done creatively to tell you how to keep history of your code changes using git
mbuf	Slide #1
mbuf	#2
mbuf	#3
mbuf	git config --global
mbuf	before you start to use git, you need to do some initial configurations
mbuf	see the example, and try it out on your system, if you get stuck, ask here
mbuf	#4 - #8
zer0c00l	Please try those commands in terminal. Applications->System tools->terminal
mbuf	~ means your home directory
mbuf	It is okay if you make mistakes, you will learn from them
mbuf	in ~/.gitconfig, the alias contains double hyphen; --graph, --pretty --abbrev-commit
mepco_sujin	?
mepco_nanda	?
mbuf	mepco_sujin, yes
mbuf	mepco_nanda, yes
mepco_sujin	may i know why you stick on to fedora rather than linux-ubuntu or suse
mepco_sathish	tell nandha
mepco_boopathi	what
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mbuf	mepco_sujin, 1. why do you think I don't use others?
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_boopathi mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mvidhya mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priya mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_sandeep mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_suresh mepco_ummul mepco_user mepco_user1
mbuf	mepco_sujin, 2. ask only questions relevant to the session
mepco_sujin	strange answer
mepco_nanda	what is 8 slide
mbuf	mepco_sathish, mepco_boopathi do you have any questions?
mbuf	mepco_sujin, if a customer needs other distros, we give it to them
mbuf	mepco_nanda, it just shows the full configuration
mepco_nanda	what say in 8 slide
mbuf	is everyone done?
mbuf	let's do it differently; I'll walk you through the slides, you understand it, and you can try it at home or in the lab, later
mepco_sujin	can u please be specific i couldnt able to get u
mbuf	mepco_sujin, why do you use SMS language?
mbuf	mepco_sujin, just now we told you not to speak in SMS
mbuf	mepco_sujin, I also use other distributions, depending on what the customer needs
zer0c00l	mepco_nanda: it says when you run the above two commands, the file ~/.gitconfig will be initialized with the the stuff mentioned below .
mbuf	mepco_sujin, this session is on git, so only ask questions on git
zer0c00l	mepco_nanda: You can use 'cat ~/.gitconfig' to check the file
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, yes
zer0c00l	mepco_sujin: Do not use 'u', use 'you' instead. 'u' is SMS speak!
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mbuf	folks! let me walk you though the presentation, and then you can try the hands-on later
mepco_sujin	ya I am trying to leave that habbit
mbuf	mepco_sujin, pease do
mbuf	*please
*mbuf git init
mbuf	this is from slide #9 onwards; any directory can be treated like a repository of source code or content
mbuf	here, we create a directory, do git init, and create a file
mbuf	this is upto slide #13
mbuf	here, you can see three sections: working tree, index and repository
mbuf	the working tree is your physical files
mbuf	the index and repository are maintained by a .git folder inside your directory
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mbuf	filenames starting with . are hidden files
*mbuf git init (2)
mbuf	now, we are editing this text file, and adding some content to it
mbuf	when you are happy with the text changes, you add it to the index, and commit it
mbuf	index is like a temporary cache
mbuf	each commit produces a commit message a number (that uniquely identifies the commit message)
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mbuf	you can always use 'git status' to check the state of your repository
mbuf	end of slide #19
*mbuf git gl
mbuf	because in your ~/.gitconfig you created an alias, git gl will show a short one-line summary of the commit
mbuf	you can use show to display the commit log in detail;
mbuf	end of slide #25
mbuf	so far so good, everyone?
mbuf	any questions, so far?
*mbuf git diff
mbuf	you need to understand the use of git diff, so you know how to use it
mbuf	now you creating a new text file raaani-mukerji.txt
mbuf	check the outputs of all three git diffs
mbuf	because it is a new file, there is nothing in diff output
mbuf	end of slide #31
*mbuf git add
mbuf	now you add the new raaani-mukerji.txt file to the index, and check the git diff output
mbuf	because it is added to the index, the cache shows the difference
mbuf	end of slide #35
mbuf	git diff HEAD also shows the difference, because, it says what will be committed next to the local repository
mbuf	end of #39
mbuf	since it didn't work out, we are going to remove raaani-mukerji.txt letter;
mbuf	since you have added it to the index, git asks you to force remove it
mbuf	so using git rm -f to remove the same
mbuf	end of #48
mbuf	in all these use cases, you return to the first state;
mbuf	a very good example of something that you felt you want to commit, but, realized it was not working, so you have restored your working directory to a clean state
*mbuf git rm --cached
mbuf	now trying to write a love letter to nayantaara.txt
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mbuf	if you want to only remove the file from the index, but, still keep it in the working tree, you can use --cached
mbuf	end of slide #54
*mbuf git rm --cached (2)
mbuf	no diff outputs, as nothing has changed
mbuf	end of #59
mbuf	since, it is only a file, we can simply remove it, as it didn't work out either
mepco_boopathi	bkv c
mepco_boopathi	hfh
mbuf	and our repository is back to the first commit
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mbuf	end of slide #64
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*mbuf git reset HEAD file
mbuf	if people use rm -f mistakenly, it can lead to removal of files, so use reset HEAD to restore things, safely
mbuf	you can use 'git mv' to rename a file
mbuf	end of #68
mbuf	no diff outputs as there is no new change in the repo
mbuf	end of #73
mbuf	just remove the file
mbuf	end of #79
*mbuf git reset --soft HEAD^
mbuf	let us try a new letter
mbuf	add it to the index
mbuf	and commit it to the local repository
mbuf	end of #83
mbuf	suppose you want to undo the commit, but, want to make modifications to the file, you can do git reset --soft HEAD^
mbuf	what this does, is undo the previous commit, and keeps the changes in the index, so you can modify it
mbuf	and it also moves the HEAD (top-most commit) to the previous commit
mbuf	this is very useful if you wrote code, committed it, and then realized, that you need to redo the change
mbuf	end of #90
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mbuf	again, the diff outputs are shown to see the difference
mbuf	because something is there in cache, git diff --cached shows the difference
mbuf	because the file is about to be committed, git diff HEAD also shows the difference
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mbuf	end of slide #95
mbuf	the illustration then shows that you are now modifying the file, committing it again
mbuf	end of slide #104
*mbuf git commit --amend
mbuf	if you mistakenly made an error in the commit message, you can amend it
mbuf	end of slide #111
mbuf	now let's say you make modifications to pretty-zinta.txt
mbuf	and you check diff outputs
mbuf	git diff will give you a difference, because the file is being tracked in the repository
mbuf	end of slide #116
*mbuf git reset --hard HEAD^
mbuf	this will totally undo the previous commit, including the code changes, and move the HEAD to the previous
mbuf	end of slide #124
*mbuf git grep
mbuf	you can also do pattern matching on the content using git grep
mbuf	end of slide #130
*mbuf git log, show
mbuf	you can also ask git to show your code changes in different formats and styles
mbuf	given are some examples
mbuf	end of slide #142
*mbuf git stash
mbuf	if you are currently working on your directory, and suddenly your professor asks you to fix something
mbuf	so you put your current changes aside, using stash;
mbuf	work on whatever has been asked of you, and then you can re-apply your changes back
mbuf	end of slide #150
mbuf	if you want to label a particular check point in  your development, you can tag it using the git tag command
mbuf	end of slide #159
*mbuf git format patch
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mbuf	when you new to working on the project, you may not be given commit access to the repository
mbuf	so, developers will ask you for patches
mbuf	you use this to create a patch, and send it to the developer mailing list
mbuf	end of #164
*mbuf git reflog
mbuf	this keeps a track of all your changes
mbuf	you can reset --hard to any previous commit state
mbuf	be careful if you use --hard, as it will also remove the file changes
mbuf	end of #170
foss-mahalakshmi	?
foss-mahalakshmi	?
mbuf	foss-mahalakshmi, yes
mbuf	quick clarification; git is a decentralized work-flow, so there is no central access
mbuf	everyone can keep a copy of the repository
foss-mahalakshmi	what is mean by Ubuntu +?
mbuf	foss-mahalakshmi, please only ask questions relevant to git; we will have a general Q&A post-lunch
*mbuf git branch
mbuf	git tracks content, and not files
mbuf	unlike cvs or subversion
mbuf	it is a logical concept
mbuf	by default you are on the master branch
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mepco_nadhiya	what is ment by git?
mbuf	the idea is if you want to work on some new feature, you can create a new branch, work on it, test it, and merge it back to the master branch
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, it is just a name
mbuf	you can delete a branch using -d
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mbuf	end of slide #177
*mbuf git branch (2)
mbuf	you can checkout a new branch, and switch to it using the checkout -b option
mbuf	end of #185
*mbuf git merge
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mbuf	this workflow gives you an example as to how to work on the priyaaanka-chopra branch, and then merge the changes to the master branch
mbuf	end of #197
*mbuf git rebase
mbuf	when you keep committing to your branches, upstream maintainers will only want a single change
mbuf	so you can use rebase for that
mbuf	try the example step-by-step, to see how it works
mbuf	end of #226
*mbuf git clone
mbuf	you can get a remote git repository using the clone command
mbuf	fetch only fetches the changes, but, pull will fetch and merge the changes
mbuf	end of #231
*mbuf git remote
mbuf	this allows you to add remote git branches, pull from them, and merge it to your local repository
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mbuf	go through them
mbuf	end of slide #253
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mbuf	this ends the presentation; I don't expect you to have got everything the first time
mbuf	but, if you go through it patiently trying out each and every step
mbuf	you should be able to follow it
mbuf	if you have any questions related to git, you can ask now
mbuf	after which we will break for lunch
mbuf	post-lunch, we will have a general FAQ discussion session, where we can answer all your queries regarding free/open source software
mbuf	ok, let's break for lunch now
zer0c00l	mepco_shenba: ?
fridayblue	mbuf,  when we could trun up after the lunch
mbuf	fridayblue, 1400 IST?
mbuf	*sharp
fridayblue	mbuf, alright, on dot
mepco_shenba	mbuf: Yes, Lunch is Ready. Let's break for Lunch and come back by 1.40 PM
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay
mepco_shenba	mbuf:ok, 2.00 PM
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*FranciscoD is here
*zer0c00l is here
*zer0c00l didn't have his lunch yet
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mepco_user	mbuf:Participants are arriving one by one
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mbuf	mepco_user, okay
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mepco_shenba	mbuf: Back after lunch. Shall we start the session?
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_bala mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jagan mepco_jose mepco_mohit mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_suresh mepco_user mepco_user1 mepco_veni
mbuf	mepco_shenba, everyone back?
mepco_shenba	Most of them came. Around 40
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay, let us begin
*mbuf Q&A session
mbuf	please don't ask your question, straight away
mbuf	please type '?' and wait for me to ask you to type your question
mepco_veni	?
mbuf	we want to have an open discussion about free/open source software, or any queries you might have regarding them
mbuf	mepco_veni, yes, ask
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mepco_veni	i have a doubt that open source software is free from viruses..is it so..if so why..
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mbuf	mepco_veni, that are viruses for free/open source software too; as long as you keep your system up-to-date, you should be fine
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mbuf	mepco_veni,  the idea of having source code is that people can see what is done in the code; so if someone finds something wrong in the code, it can be fixed immediately
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mbuf	mepco_veni, in proprietary software development companies, they will send you a binary fix, but, you really don't know whether they have really fixed the problem or not
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	mepco_veni, so that is the power of having the source code
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
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mepco_jagadesh	hi jagan
kongu_jagan	wt is mean by collaborative
mbuf	kongu_jagan, what is 'wt' ?
mbuf	mepco_veni, in future, don't use ".." in your statements
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mepco_veni	?
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mbuf	mepco_veni, ask
kongu_jagan	it is a sms lang
mbuf	kongu_jagan, just this morning, we told you not to use it
mepco_veni	what is the main purpose of PHP language
mepco_nadhiya	?
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	mepco_veni, PHP is a scripting language, that is used for web development
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mbuf	mepco_veni, so, generally we call it the (G)LAMP stack, GNU/Linux as the OS, Apache as the webserver, Mysql for the database, and PHP for the server-side scripting
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mepco_nadhiya	expansion for php
mbuf	kongu_jagan, what we are doing now is collaboration; we are learning from each other;
kongu_jagan	why no attachment to email and why it is bad
fridayblue	mepco_veni, you check www.php.net
mbuf	kongu_jagan, that was already answered this morning
mepco_durga	now most of the people of are moving to FOSS...can you tell me some prominent features of FOSS????
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zer0c00l	mepco_durga: Several question marks '????' shows that you are obnoxious
mbuf	mepco_durga, F/OSS has been there for 20 years; just that you folks are new to it and moving towards it
kongu_jagan	what is join fedora
foss_sundar	can you tell me why facebook is better than orkut..?
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mbuf	kongu_jagan, please use '?' and wait for me to ask you to type your question
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: It is not related to the topic.
mbuf	foss_sundar, please don't ask your question now
fridayblue	mepco_nadhiya, PHP stands for, PHP hypertext processor
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, the most important aspect of F/OSS is the community; we try to share knowledge; learn new things;
mbuf	mepco_durga, and of course, availability of source code;
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mepco_suganya_ec	?
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jose mepco_keerthik mepco_mohit mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_samy mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_suresh mepco_user mepco_veni
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, yes
mepco_babu	?
mepco_suganya_ec	what is the main purpose of using this foss software?
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, learning is one
mepco_mohit	?
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, people doing research also use it; people in the Industry as well like Google, Yahoo, Red Hat, etc.
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, so it is also helpful in finding a job
mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
mepco_babu	which language is mostly used to develop the project?
zer0c00l	mepco_suganya_ec: FOSS means sharing. Your knowledge will increase if you share it. Proprietary software won't allow you to share.
mbuf	mepco_babu, there is no one favorite language or project; it depends on the project team members, scope of work etc.
mbuf	mepco_mohit, yes
kongu_jagan	?
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mepco_suganya_ec	?
mepco_samy	what is the main advantage of this software compare to others?
mbuf	mepco_durga, what is your question?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, ask your question
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, ask your question
kongu_jagan	what is join fedora
mepco_durga	sir,can yu tell me how to join FOSS group???
mbuf	mepco_samy, please type '?' first, and when I ask you to state your question, then ask;
mepco_suganya_ec	what are all the jobs related to foss?
mepco_samy	?
mepco_nanda	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, joining is to work in any Fedora sub-project: as we discussed this morning, it could be writing code, testing, packaging, translation, documentation etc.
mepco_samy	?
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, you can have a look at fossjobs.in for a start
mepco_durga	?
mepco_samy	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, there are user groups in various cities, where discussions happen, like what we are doing now
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mbuf	mepco_durga, to start with I'd suggest joining the fedora-india mailing list; for local support, you can subscribe to ilugc.in mailing list
mepco_mohit	"exe" files cannot be used in linux based systems, but there are different software setup for says VLC for windows is different and for linux is different. so what is the major difference ?
mepco_nanda	why can read msg
zer0c00l	mepco_durga: please avoid using 'sir' and multiple question marks (???) in future.
mepco_samy	?
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	mepco_samy, ask
mepco_suganya_ec	?
mbuf	mepco_durga ask
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, ask
zer0c00l	mepco_durga: please check http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
mepco_durga	what is latest project that is going in FOSS now???
mepco_samy	what is the advantage of this software compare to others?
mbuf	mepco_mohit, please type '?' first, don't type your question straight-away!
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mepco_babu	?
mepco_suganya_ec	what are all the other softwares related this foss /
mepco_mohit	i have typed already
mbuf	mepco_durga, there is no latest project; there are different domains where people work in, from system administration, network administration, network programming, web development, embedded etc.
mepco_mohit	?
mbuf	mepco_samy, source code, stability, security, robustness, scalability, reliability etc.
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, you can Google for that; it depends on which domain you are looking for
foss_ramya	?
mbuf	foss_ramya, yes
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is bug zappers
mbuf	kongu_jagan, that was answered this morning; please check the logs
zer0c00l	mepco_mohit: There is no difference in VLC, both are same, one is compiled for GNU/Linux and another is compiled for windows. You can run exe files in window with a software named 'wine'
mepco-sundar mepco_aarthy mepco_anand mepco_ani mepco_babu mepco_bala mepco_durga mepco_Evanchalin mepco_jose mepco_keerthik mepco_mohit mepco_nadhiya mepco_nanda mepco_poornima mepco_priyadhari mepco_rajalaxmi mepco_regupathy mepco_samy mepco_saranya mepco_sathish mepco_shenba mepco_steffi mepco_suganya_ec mepco_sujin mepco_suresh mepco_user mepco_veni
foss_ramya	could we create virus using any foss application?
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mepco_nadhiya	?
mepco_suganya_ec	eof
kongu_jagan	eof
mepco_babu	eof
zer0c00l	foss_ramya: You can, but it is waste of time. GNU/Linux has lot security features and if you follow best practises , your viruses won't work.
mbuf	foss_ramya, that is a negative way of thinking, and free/open source developers don't do that; we build systems (hackers), not break them (crackers)
mepco_nadhiya	so does wine acts a windows compiler for linux os
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, wine is an emulator which will run .exe; but, we recommend you use free/open source software
zer0c00l	mepco_nadhiya: Not compiler, it is an emulator, please check www.winehq.org
mepco_nadhiya	what is emulator
zer0c00l	mepco_nadhiya: search that in google
mbuf	executables and object files have an ELF format on GNU/Linux; similarily there is a format for .exe files, so they are not interchangeable; wine helps to run .exe files
foss_sundar	how do people earn in foss development software and packages related(i.e. VLC) ..??
mbuf	foss_sundar, there are different business models
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mbuf	foss_sundar, Google uses a lot of F/OSS software internally and also contribute towards it;
mepco_poornima	?
mbuf	foss_sundar, same with Yahoo, Red Hat, Nokia, Ericsson, Samsung etc.
mbuf	mepco_poornima, yes
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
mepco_poornima	what are jobs available in foss related
mepco_samy	?
mepco_poornima	eof
mbuf	mepco_poornima, I already answered that; please check fossjobs.in for a start!
kongu_jagan	tell me the use of linux
mbuf	kongu_jagan, use as in?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, it can be used from embedded to desktop to server side;
foss_sundar	can you tell me in briefly about google app engine..?
mbuf	foss_sundar, you can ask Google :)
foss_sundar	but can you tell me in easy words ...
mbuf	foss_sundar http://code.google.com/appengine/
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: It is a service provided by google to host your java/python apps
mbuf	foss_sundar, that is why in the morning, I said you should learn to read a lot
foss_sundar	so what is hadoop even.?
zer0c00l	foss_sundar: you can google that.
mbuf	foss_sundar, please read http://hadoop.apache.org/
mepco_samy	?
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mepco_babu	?
mbuf	learn to use a search engine, search for you want and read! it helps to grow your know-how
mbuf	mepco_samy, yes
mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
mepco_samy	what is emacs?
mbuf	*for what you want
mepco_babu	what is mean by git status?
mbuf	mepco_samy, it is a text editor; but, you can use it for lot of things from checking e-mails, browsing, development etc.
FranciscoD	mepco_babu: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=emacs
mbuf	mepco_babu, git status will check the status of the git repository in the directory
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mbuf	any other questions?
mepco_suganya_ec	?
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, yes
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
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mepco_suganya_ec	is it provides any software library?
mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, which?
mepco_suganya_ec	Is this wine provides any software library?
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mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, not sure; but you can check here: http://www.winehq.org/devel/
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mbuf	mepco_suganya_ec, every F/OSS project will have a website, with mailing list, IRC channel; so you can participate in these communication channels to talk to developers and work with the project
kongu_jagan	any other header file is in linux
mepco_suganya_ec	eof
mbuf	kongu_jagan, Linux is a kernel; different development packages include header files; most C development headers files are in the glibc-headers package
foss_sundar	which mobile os is the best in current date.?(android,bada,maemo)
mbuf	foss_sundar, there is no best; it is your choice
FranciscoD	@lucky site:tldp.org man pages
fedbot	FranciscoD: http://tldp.org/docs.html
FranciscoD	kongu_jagan: ^ have a look at that link for the man pages
foss_sundar	but android sounds and its new techies sound better right..?
mbuf	foss_sundar, yes, android market is good now
mepco_veni	?
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: again, you'll have to read up on it, find the specs, see if it suits you etc.
mbuf	mepco_veni, yes
mepco_veni	how is linux better from other os?
mbuf	mepco_veni, I thought we already answered that with respect to free/open source software
mbuf	mepco_veni, having the source code, and people reviewing it makes it robust, secure, stable
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mepco_jose	?
mbuf	mepco_jose, yes
FranciscoD	mepco_veni: go to kernel.org and check it out
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foss_sundar	well for smartphones you feel its blackberry or htc or what matches the better.?
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: offtopic
mbuf	foss_sundar, please ask only f/oss related questions
arunmosespaul	?
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	arunmosespaul, yes
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is amend
FranciscoD	@lucky site:thefreedictionary.com ammend
mbuf	kongu_jagan, to fix something
fedbot	FranciscoD: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/amend
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mepco_jose	ubuntu , fedora which one is user friendly?
mbuf	mepco_jose, we recommend Fedora
FranciscoD	kongu_jagan: link ^
mbuf	mepco_jose, it all depends on your choice
mbuf	think of them as different flavors of ice-cream; choose the one you like, but, we recommend Fedora
FranciscoD	mepco_jose: if you'd like to try fedora out, ask the organisers, they'll probably have fedora media with them that they can give you
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is link
FranciscoD	link for?
FranciscoD	link tells you what amend is
mbuf	kongu_jagan, link that FranciscoD meant was the URL, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/amend
FranciscoD	most commands do what their names mean , (for example : "cat" con*cat*enates)
mepco_babu	?
mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
foss_sundar	One reason why C++ lacks compared to C language ?
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: offtopic again, please google for that
mbuf	foss_sundar, why are you always comparing? there is nothing lacking; each one is different
mepco_babu	what is mean git rm-cached?
mbuf	foss_sundar, kindly refrain from asking such questions
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	mepco_babu, it just removes the corresponding file from the index/cache, but, keeps it in the working directory
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is git diff
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FranciscoD	for more info on git commands, you should also look at the man pages
FranciscoD	for example, for "git diff", "man git-diff"
mbuf	kongu_jagan, it is used to show the difference between the working tree, cache, and the repository
FranciscoD	diff = difference
mbuf	kongu_jagan, see http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-diff.html
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, yes
mepco_durga	what is git diff HEAD
mepco_durga	eof
foss_poniruli	?
mepco_babu	eof
mbuf	mepco_durga, it shows the difference between the working tree and the HEAD of the repository; check the diagrams in the git presentation
mbuf	foss_poniruli, yes
kongu_jagan	?
foss_poniruli	what git diff --cached?
foss__raji	?
mbuf	foss_poniruli, it shows difference between cache and the repository; please check the presentation!
mbuf	foss__raji, yes
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is git grep?
foss__raji	what is kernel?
FranciscoD	@saylucky kongu_jagan man grep
fedbot	kongu_jagan: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?grep (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result)
mbuf	kongu_jagan, it searches for the string in your repository
FranciscoD	foss__raji: google "wikipedia.org + kernel"
mbuf	foss__raji, the core part of an operating system,
foss_sundar	well how efficient is backtrack OS used for cracking.?
foss_sundar	well you think backtrack OS is a good hacking tool or else deep hardcore coding is much better .?
kongu_jagan	?
FranciscoD	grep et all :  http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html
FranciscoD	kongu_jagan: ^
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: off topic
mbuf	foss_sundar, it is your choice
mbuf	foss_sundar, there is nothing best; it is all about choice;
mepco_durga	?
mepco_priyadhari	?
mbuf	mepco_durga, yes
mbuf	mepco_priyadhari, yes
kongu_jagan	?
mepco_ummul	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
mbuf	mepco_ummul, yes
kongu_jagan	in git stash why we are using dollar sign
mepco_priyadhari	can we prohibit foss by any means?
mepco_durga	what this 958d5ac.. represent in the diagram
mepco_ummul	what is meant by trimmed posting?
mepco_ummul	eof
mepco_durga	eof
foss__raji	eof
mepco_jose	eof
mbuf	kongu_jagan, which dollar sign? it is the terminal prompt
mbuf	mepco_priyadhari, F/OSS is about sharing code, know-how;
mbuf	mepco_durga, it is a SHA commit, that uniquely identifies the commit message
mbuf	mepco_durga, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1
kongu_jagan	?
mepco_durga	?
mbuf	mepco_ummul, trimming is to cut the text short
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
mbuf	mepco_durga, yes
kongu_jagan	what is mean by patch
mepco_durga	what is SHA commit
mepco_durga	eof
mepco_priyadhari	eof
mbuf	kongu_jagan, it is a difference between two files (or directories)
mbuf	mepco_durga, please go through the link I gave you already!
kongu_jagan	?
mbuf	kongu_jagan, yes
kongu_jagan	what is git reflog
mbuf	kongu_jagan, please refer the git pages for documentation: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reflog.html
FranciscoD	"Reflog is a mechanism to record when the tip of branches are updated."
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FranciscoD	from the documentation
FranciscoD	the first step in learning about a FOSS tool is to read it's documentation
foss_poniruli	?
kongu_jagan	eof
mbuf	foss_poniruli, yes
foss_poniruli	what is git merge?
mepco_nadhiya	?
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mbuf	foss_poniruli, http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-merge.html
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, yes
mepco_nadhiya	what is meant by hurd ?
FranciscoD	mepco_nadhiya: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/what_is_the_gnu_hurd.html
foss_sundar	Has Foss come up with any Cloud Computing,if so name few ..?
FranciscoD	is that what you were looking up?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, please try to Google around
mepco_jose	?
FranciscoD	foss_sundar: Cloud Computing is a paradigm, please google "cloud computing + FOSS"
foss_sundar	eof
mbuf	foss_sundar, foss is not a single entity; it is an ecosystem
mbuf	foss_sundar, people from different streams come together, from academia, industry, government etc.
>mepco_shenba<shall we break for tea?
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FranciscoD	mbuf: break time?
mbuf	FranciscoD, in 10 minutes
*FranciscoD asked because the questions had ceased
h4xordood	:D
mbuf	any other questions?
h4xordood	heya
h4xordood	i am from new delhi and i am using fedora since FC3
h4xordood	just wanted to introduce myself
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, yes
mepco_nadhiya	which os will be faster in multitasking?
h4xordood	what is mepco ?
mepco_nadhiya	eof
h4xordood	i see here many names starting with that
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, it is left for you to decide
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mbuf	h4xordood, an online training session/discussion is underway
h4xordood	ah so i can be also there?
foss_vidhya	@h4xordood, MEPCO-organising college of this workshop
mbuf	h4xordood, yes, you are welcome
mepco_nadhiya	specify answer clearley
mepco_nadhiya	*clearly
h4xordood	k if i can be of any help i will :)
FranciscoD	mepco_nadhiya: try out different distros and see what you like
FranciscoD	process scheduling etc. are a part of the kernel, so that will mostly be same in most distros
FranciscoD	mepco_nadhiya: does that answer it?
mbuf	let us break now for tea; be back in 15 minutes; then we will do RPM packaging, and then we can wind up
mbuf	be back by 1515 IST
mepco_nadhiya	what does distros stands for ?
FranciscoD	mepco_nadhiya: distrowatch.com
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, distro == distribution
mepco_nadhiya	thanks
FranciscoD	look at the site, you'll see a *huge* number of linux derivatives (distros) there
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FranciscoD	mbuf: you aren't using meetbot?
mbuf	FranciscoD, nope
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FranciscoD	logs?
FranciscoD	you'll put them up somewhere?
mbuf	FranciscoD, i am logging them
shrini-afk	mepco_nadhiya: fedora, redhat, debian, ubuntu, centos, opensuse are the famous distributions
FranciscoD	mbuf: oakay
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foss_ramar	?l;jkhio
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mepco_nadhiya	sundar the outlander
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shrini	are we still in breaktime?
mbuf	shrini, tea came late
mbuf	shrini, yes
shrini	mbuf: ok
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:students are coming in
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay
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mepco_shenba	mbuf:let's start
mbuf	mepco_shenba, okay
*mbuf Packaging RPM
mbuf	Fedora is a distribution of packages that contains free/open source software
mbuf	different free/open source software projects have different project development lifecycles (development, testing, release)
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mbuf	what Fedora project does is that it takes these releases, packages them, and gives it to you in a DVD/CD that you can install and use on your computer
mbuf	the different F/OSS projects are referred to as "upstream"
mbuf	now we will try to package a simple hello-world project to a binary .rpm that you can install and test on your Fedora system
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mbuf	please open the "Packaging Red Hot Paneer (butter) Masala" presentation
mbuf	I'll walk you through the presentation, then you can try it out
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mbuf	slide #1
mbuf	slide #2
mbuf	yum install fedora-packager is already done on most of your systems; this will install all relevant software tools required to package software
mbuf	slide #3
mbuf	slide #4
mbuf	slide #5
mbuf	you will then require the respective directories
mbuf	BUILD is where the source code is compiled
mbuf	BUILDROOT is where it is installed (during package building & installation)
mbuf	all binary rpms are stored in RPMS directory
mbuf	source code is stored in the SOURCES directory
mbuf	the .spec file defines how to package the source code, and is stored in the SPECS directory
mbuf	and all .src.rpms that contain .spec file and source code is stored in the SRPMS directory
mbuf	#6
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mbuf	this is a sample .c file that we will package
mbuf	#7
mbuf	this is a sample Makefile used to compile the .c code;
mbuf	#8
mbuf	Let us now see how to write a .spec file
mbuf	it contains the name of the project
mbuf	#9
mbuf	its version
mbuf	#10
mbuf	Release number of the package
mbuf	#11
mbuf	one-line summary
mbuf	#12
mbuf	group where the package belongs to
mbuf	#13
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mbuf	which Free/Open Source software license this package uses
mbuf	#14
mbuf	project website URL
mbuf	#15
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mbuf	location of the tarball, or zip of the project source code
mbuf	#16
mbuf	this is just a location of the BUILDROOT
mbuf	#17
mbuf	comments start with a '#'
mbuf	#18
mbuf	if the software requires other software to compile, we list them in BuildRequires
mbuf	#19
mbuf	if a software requires another software during run-time, we list it in Requires
mbuf	#20
mbuf	a multi-line description of the project
mbuf	#21
mbuf	#22
mbuf	this section is used to extract the tarball (.tar.gz, .tar.bz2 source files)
mbuf	#23
mbuf	#24
mbuf	this section tells us how to compile it
mbuf	using make invokes the Makefile and compiles our .c file
mbuf	#25
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mbuf	#26
mbuf	#27
mbuf	this tells us where to install the packages, under BUILDROOT
mbuf	#28
mbuf	a clean target to clean executables, object files etc.
mbuf	#29
mbuf	#30
mbuf	#31
mbuf	#32
mbuf	#33
mbuf	The files section tells which files are to be present in the final .rpm binary
mbuf	%doc is a macro and refers to /usr/share/doc
mbuf	#34
mbuf	#35
mbuf	#36
mbuf	A changelog entry that tells what changes you have made in the .spec file
mbuf	now we try to build the package
mbuf	#37
mbuf	#38
mbuf	#39
mbuf	the output is also shown
mbuf	#40
mbuf	#41
mbuf	#42
mbuf	as we learn the commands, the list of options is summarized in the slide
mbuf	#43
mbuf	#44
mbuf	#45
mbuf	use -bp to extract the sources, it invokes the %prep section in the .spec file
mbuf	#46
mbuf	#47
mbuf	#48
mbuf	#49
mbuf	#50
mbuf	to compile the sources, use the -bp option
mbuf	#51
mbuf	#52
mbuf	#53
mbuf	#54
mbuf	#55
mbuf	#56
mbuf	#57
mbuf	install will install the necessary files under different directories under BUILDROOT; good to see if the locations are correct when used
mbuf	#58 to #70
mbuf	you can also see during the steps that when you invoke install, it also does prepare, and compiler before doing install
mbuf	*compile
mbuf	#71
mbuf	#72
mbuf	use the -bb to get the final binary .rpm package
mbuf	#73 to #89
mbuf	#90
mbuf	if you also want to get the .src.rpm that contains the .spec file and the source code, use the -s option
mbuf	#91
mbuf	#92
mbuf	#93
mbuf	if you want to build everything, then you use the -ba option (-bb and -bs)
mbuf	#94
mbuf	the built rpm is located in the RPMS directory, while the .src.rpm is located in the SRPMS directory
mbuf	#95
mbuf	#96
mbuf	#97
mbuf	rpmlint is a tool to check the correctness of the .spec file and .rpms; always run it on the .spec file and the built .rpms and .src.rpms
mbuf	#98
mbuf	#99 - #103
mbuf	if you wish to see the contents of the binary package, you can run rpmls on it
mbuf	#104
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mbuf	#105
mbuf	#106
mbuf	#107
mbuf	if you wish to extract the .rpm, use the rpm2cpio command and pipe it to cpio -idv
mbuf	#108
mbuf	to install an .rpm use the yum install command
mbuf	#109 - #113
mbuf	-qa option to rpm queries all installed packages
mbuf	#114
mbuf	if you wish to remove a package, just give the package name
mbuf	next, we are going to see how to create a patch -- a change in the source code we make
mbuf	#115
mbuf	extract the sources
mbuf	#116
mbuf	#117
mbuf	go to the sources
mbuf	#118
mbuf	make a copy of the file you want to modify with a suffix (like .fix)
mbuf	#119
mbuf	change the original file
mbuf	#120
mbuf	go to the BUILD directory and use gendiff
mepco_babu	?
mbuf	#121 - #125
mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
mepco_babu	can we change the source code in linux?
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, yes
mepco_nadhiya	how can we extract source code by.c for .src.rpm
mepco_babu	can we change the source code in linux os?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, rpm2cpio file.src.rpm  | cpio -idv
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mbuf	mepco_babu, yes
mepco_nadhiya	?
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, yes
mepco_nadhiya	what is the use of -bi spcifically in 57 slide
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, good question
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, when you install a package, it will install files in different directories under root (/), say /usr/lib, /usr/bin/ usr/share/doc etc
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mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, so, when you do rpm -bi, it will install the relevant binary files in /home/user/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/packagename-version/{usr, lib, bin} etc
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, so you can see if the files you want packages are present in the right location or not
mbuf	mepco_nadhiya, in the .spec file you will be using macros like %doc
kongu_keerthi	?
mbuf	kongu_keerthi, yes
kongu_keerthi	How the quality is checked in packages?. slide No.102
mbuf	kongu_keerthi, rpmlint has lot of error checks; like spelling errors; if the project website URL is valid
kongu_keerthi	eof
mbuf	kongu_keerthi, any static libraries are built etc. lot of them
mbuf	kongu_keerthi, refer common rpmlint issues later, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_Rpmlint_issues
mbuf	ok, we are back on track now :)
mbuf	we were on slide #125 where we made our first patch
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mbuf	now to test our patch, and include it in our Fedora package, we need to add it to the .spec file
mbuf	#126
mbuf	since, we are modifying the spec file we update the release #
mbuf	#127
mbuf	add the patch file
mbuf	it must be stored in the SOURCES folder
mbuf	#128
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mbuf	add the patch command to apply the patch during the prep stage
mbuf	#129
mbuf	#130
mbuf	add a new changelog entry
mbuf	#131
mbuf	now check if the patch applies cleanly by just extracting the sources in the %prep stage
mbuf	#132
mbuf	#133 - #135
mbuf	#136
mbuf	is a short summary of macros
mbuf	#37
mbuf	#137
mbuf	you can define your own macros
mbuf	#138 - #140
mbuf	#141
mbuf	one should also use mock to build a package locally and see if it works; mock is a tool
mbuf	#142
mbuf	#143
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mbuf	#144
mbuf	you can also build packages using the koji tool on different hardware
mbuf	for example Fedora on x86_64, ppc (powerpc), ARM (arm) etc.
arunmosespaul	?
mbuf	#145 - #150
mbuf	more URL links for reference
mbuf	#151 - #157
mbuf	you can also ask in #fedora-devel IRC for technical packaging questions, or you can always ask us here if you need help
mbuf	arunmosespaul, yes
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arunmosespaul	what is X86_64?
mbuf	arunmosespaul, 64-bit x86
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mbuf	and we are now open for questions
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mbuf	this ends the presentation
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mbuf	I know it is lot of content to cover in a short period
mbuf	all the presentations are available from my website at http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html
mbuf	you are welcome to re-use the presentations as long as you give credit to my work
mbuf	sorry that I couldn't make it today, due to the verdict on Thursday, but, we hope I can try to make it some other day
mbuf	thank you all once again for coming to Mepco and spending time today
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arunmosespaul	?
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mbuf	even if you didn't get to understand everything, I hope, that it atleast shows you different tools that we use in the Industry and Academia, that you might want to look at
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kongu_keerthi	thank you:-)
mbuf	my website is http://www.shakthimaan.com, and you can also give feedback/write to me at shakthimaan at gmail dot com
mbuf	arunmosespaul, yes
mepco_jose	?
mbuf	mepco_jose, yes
mepco_jose	thank you
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mepco_jose	?
mbuf	mepco_jose, yes
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mepco_mohit	Thanks :)
mepco_jose	shall i give my feedback
arunmosespaul	is there any copyright law for open source?
foss_prabha	!
mbuf	it would definitely have been different interacting with you all in person, but, we will make it some day!
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mbuf	arunmosespaul, copyright law exists -- it applies to software also
mbuf	mepco_jose, yes
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mepco_jose	the workshop was very useful.it will be very useful if you come over here and give us direct workshop sessions
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mbuf	mepco_jose, yes, we will plan that, for sure; no worries!
foss_deepika	?
mbuf	foss_deepika, yes
foss_prabha	it  is very informative.we learned lot from your lecture.i think it would be better understandable if u were in live
foss_prabha	thank you
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mepco_veni	?
foss__raji	!
mbuf	foss_prabha, remember, there are people in this channel from abroad as well; F/OSS gives you an opportunity to interact and learn from them
mbuf	foss_prabha, there are challenges in life; how we face and deal with it is in our hands;
kongu_keerthi	we would be very happy if you came on live.. But this itself gave us so many knowledge.
mbuf	mepco_veni, yes
mepco_veni	thanks for conducting workshop on online it is very useful to us
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mbuf	foss__raji, ye
foss_deepika	we want direct workshop sessions from you.could you please come over here to tell us more about foss?
mepco_mohit	Shakthi, hope to see you soon in Mepco .
mbuf	foss_deepika, sure; we will make it some day
mbuf	mepco_mohit, let us strive for it
foss_deepika	thank you sir
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foss__raji	we gain more more knowledge about fedora project. thankyou!
mbuf	I expect you all to go home, and think about what we have discussed today
mepco_sathish	we would be happy if you come on live to teach , this had provided lots knowledge for us and very usefull
mbuf	and hopefully, I will hear from atleast some of you who want to learn, and gain knowledge in this process
foss_deepika	?
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mbuf	mepco_sathish, trust me, I have scratched the surface, there is a long way to go!
mbuf	foss_deepika, yes
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mbuf	thanks also to FranciscoD and zer0c00l to have helped around;
mepco_babu	hope to see you here in Mepco for even more lively interaction but anyway this was also a nice session and it gave us many information
foss_deepika	we gain more knowledge about foss. thank u
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mbuf	mepco_babu, foss_deepika thank you
mbuf	see you all!
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kongu_keerthi	thank you sir:-) bye..
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mbuf	bye all!
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shrini	mbuf: great job. wishes
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shrini	wishes to all the students
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